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223 or 7.62x39
« on: February 05, 2014, 07:16:12 PM »
in a shtf situation which gun do you prefer?   do you like the .223,  or do you like the 7.62x39 ak?  is it better to have a very simplistic weapon like the ak.  or is the .223 better because ammo might be more available?  please give me your opinion and your reasons why.  I have struggled with this question myself. and I want to know if I did the right thing.



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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 07:36:45 PM »
Both...  Your gonna need all the firepower you can when the SHTF  ;)

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2014, 08:29:23 PM »
Both...  Your gonna need all the firepower you can when the SHTF  ;)

Agreed, but if you can only afford one to start with this is my .02.  The .223/5.56 has a better grouping, it is more accurate.  Consider your environment, if most your shots are say 100 yards plus you'll need accuracy.  The AR disassembles very fast and most AR parts are interchangeable, the exception is the Colt AR.  Colts are particular to Colt parts.  Being optimistic you will come across more AR weapons and extra ammo than the x39.
 
The 7.62x39 is a beast, it is not temperamental like the AR, it keeps on shooting clean or dirty, but is less accurate.  But remember this, if you aim for center mass and you are 8-10 inches off you'll still knock em down.  As you are aware you are giving up accuracy for knock down.

From what I understand the 7.62x39 is the Chinese main weapon.  In the Russian Army the x39 was meant for the female troops but on full auto they had a hard time staying on target so the female troops went to the 7.62x54, it offered better control.  The Russian SF I understand use the x54 because it offers more accuracy.

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Accuracy vs knock down, the AR will still do the job and more parts and ammo will be available.  If you are in a dirty environment and your chances of an up close engagement maybe the AK x39.  Again if we have the Chinese and or Russians you can take their ammo.  Ultimately you must way it out.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2014, 08:56:03 PM »
awesome!  thanks for the feedback.   I am a huge fan of the 7.62x54 too, I'm glad you brought that up         

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 09:08:13 PM »
awesome!  thanks for the feedback.   I am a huge fan of the 7.62x54 too, I'm glad you brought that up         

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The x54 because of the size and weight of the ammo what you should comfortably carry is 170rds where as the AR you should carry 210rds.  Me personally I like allot of ammo.

What I forgot to mention is the x39 is less accurate which means more miss's.  Remembering we are our own supply source, so accuracy will be important, something to consider.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 02:01:27 AM »
being that your in the States I would say .223 because that ammo is more common here...Right...

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 10:13:20 PM »
In a SHTF situation I would think you would be lieing low. If you were to tell me you slung 500 rounds at someone or some people I would guess you are going to be dead unless your just bond like...
I would say get what you want.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 07:10:42 PM »
In a SHTF situation I would think you would be lieing low. If you were to tell me you slung 500 rounds at someone or some people I would guess you are going to be dead unless your just bond like...
I would say get what you want.

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true!  I plan on lying low unless there is no other option.  because I sure would make a crappy soldier.   but im not dying in a fema camp either.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2014, 07:48:06 AM »
I would go for the .223 for short range sniper activity and shoot and scoot gorilla fighting. (-500 yards) At least that's what I'm gearing up for.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2014, 08:05:51 AM »
I would go for the .223 for short range sniper activity and shoot and scoot gorilla fighting. (-500 yards) At least that's what I'm gearing up for.

The inexpensive AR will most likely have the 16" barrel, to be able to reach out go with the 18" or 20" barrel.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2014, 08:17:32 AM »
The inexpensive AR will most likely have the 16" barrel, to be able to reach out go with the 18" or 20" barrel.


F@ck the ammo. Give'm salt and steel  :o

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2014, 08:51:51 AM »



F@ck the ammo. Give'm salt and steel  :o
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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2014, 09:09:51 AM »
I have the 20".

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2014, 09:27:08 AM »
I have the 20".


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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 10:25:14 PM »
I admit i didn't read all the comments regarding 223 vs. 762x39, but here are some facts.  The AK round is designed to be effective out to 300 meters.  As such, it is a medium weight bullet at moderate velocity...123 gr. at around 2100 fps (kinda similar to .30-30 in terms of muzzle energy).  As the bullet is almost three times heavier than the venerable .223 round, it gives better penetration at close range.  The .223 round on the other hand, is effective on man sized targets out to 800 meters in good conditions due to higher bullet velocity-2800 fps or so, depending on the loading.  While the AK can be accurized to a degree, a typical AK is not as accurate as an AR as it was designed to be mass produced cheaply with stamped steel with tolerances that support reliability moreso than accuracy.  One caveat regarding the AK's-some of the cheaper models on the market have cheaper barrels that in some cases are worn in 1,000 rounds which leads to key-holing (poor accuracy and limited range).  If you're deciding in favor of an AK, consider something like a Bulgarian with a factory barrel.  Or, of course, the Arsenal product which is quite spendy.  My other knock on the AK is that most of the ammo is imported and so is subject to the whims of the current administration.  A little discussed middle ground (between the AK47 and the AR15) is the AK74, which fires the 5.45x39 round.  Its ballistics are similar to the .223, yet due to the bullet design it is a bit more effective.  The ammo is a little cheaper than the '47 ammo, but a bit harder to come by, also(and like many soviet bloc rifle ammos can be had in the spam cans for long term storage).  With all that, I am a big fan of the AK weapons.  And with that, if a guy with a budget for only one long gun, I'd have to advise the AR as the ammo is much more available and is manufactured in the US so it is less subject to administrative whims.   :)

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 05:50:41 PM »
Great post Oldmeatguy. I'd like to hear what you have to say about the AR if you don't mind.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 08:31:20 AM »
I have the 20".


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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 11:42:44 PM »
AK-47 ammo is cheaper 5.99 a box. There is a lot of surplus, plus the rifle was used and copied by other countries. Plus the AK round is going to be a steel core surplus round. Also the projectile is bigger. Since it was made by the Russians you should be able to shoot down an airplane and derail a train off its tracks with that ammo.

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Re: 223 or 7.62x39
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 04:17:13 AM »
I chose to go with the .223 mostly for the portability of the round, I can carry more ammo because it's smaller and weighs less.

I also like all of the optics mounting options of the AR, but honestly I don't think you can go wrong either way.